s8_r1

I feel like the beats melody instruments and tempo could be like a group because I feel like they're more like bass level, just like basic stuff that you have to have in like a song.

What was it Emily? I think what Emily just said was great. You can just go ahead and group them and also put another sticky note that says the group name. What else? We have to come up with at least five groups. Or you can come up with more sticky notes if you feel like you just remembered it. Any ideas? Sabrina, Akshara, anything about the group names or how to... Yeah. You guys have some great ideas. I think the audio sound quality can itself be one group.

guess knowing what is not wanted we can probably like split the bass one into two and put beats and tempo together and then melody and instruments together yeah that sounds good too then we have

two groups already

we can just put the two comments about suno together and how do you want to name them like

what how would you call that um quality or character diverse diversity or is it about the

quality so for the beats and tempo i think it's just about like um uh like a foundation almost and then for

i don't know how to make the text box like you can use sticky notes if you would like we can use a color that we haven't used here you go okay just double click on the sticky notes Okay, there you go.

For like the, um, like knowing what is not wanted emotion and a meaning, we could put it as like, like the origins, like where the music is coming from.

Sounds good.

And then for this one, we can kind of call it like, um, uh,

maybe like complexity yeah sounds good uh for the background so the background is about the

background sound right yeah it's like the melody and the instruments like being able to make it

more complex i see yeah then would background also go there or is background more of kind of like a kind of like a decoration to the song more complexity.

I think background is more of like an emotional thing. So we can put like--

Is the background about emotional background, like the context?

That's what I assume background was, but I don't know.

OK, we need one more group. let me move it here

we can just make this one what suno did well but we have to name it like how are we gonna call

what suno did well because we can't just say what's not that well when we design it um or we can divide it into two groups if you want because we can have more than five i guess just like clarity okay that sounds good too okay i guess we have five groups oh my bad hi everyone i saw that you guys came up with a lot of creative notes, which is great. Let me share the screen again. Next step of the activity is we're going to, just like the previous sessions where we've done similar things, we're going to, I think all of you guys just have five, but that's good. It's okay. We can use all those five groups that we have come up with. And we're going to put sliders for expected versus current and a reason behind it. So let me share the screen and show you guys the hidden frames. So those hidden frames I'm gonna leave a lit now. So here you're gonna drag the, not drag, I'm so sorry. What you're gonna do this time is you're gonna select the group. Sorry, group one, I'm gonna use it as an example. copy click to the space and then paste it so ctrl c and control v we're doing this so that you remember which group it came from so again you click on the group name copy and then paste it to each of the spaces because there are five spaces so copy paste copy paste copy paste five times and then you're gonna paste So let's say this was a group. And then you're going to place it, how much of me should be, how much of AI it should be. Like how much am I controlling or how much of AI is just outputting. And what you think current music tools as a whole, Suno, MusicFX, Mewbird, Urio, everything together on average are doing. And what is the expected, the amount that you want. And then you write down the rationale here. So basically, in reality, you're going to have it copy-pasted twice like this. It might be the same. Current is here, but I expect it to be here. Then you can place it exactly the same. And then just write down the rationale because blah, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, let's do it! So make sure you copy paste it. Bye! All right, let me help you a little bit. Group three, I'm going to help you guys place it. If someone, I'll put original music here. Original music. Okay, and then you can move it to the space you want. You can discuss on your own and then... and so on. Other ones, I think you can do it. Hi, group three. Are you guys there? Are you guys struggling how to do it? Are you guys taking a break? No, we're here. Are you guys struggling how to do it? Yeah.

I'm trying to get my copy paste thing to work. I don't know why it's not working.

I'll do it for you. It's okay. All right, let me get it to current and expect them for clarity. So meanwhile, you guys can discuss whatever is already moved on the space right next to it. I'll share a screen and show you guys once again, because I think we only have a few minutes left. Do we do it like one for each category? Yeah. Yeah, so you can move the title. You can think about all the elements in the original music, which is those three, and then place it on the slider. Does that make sense?

Like based on how much AI has control over it and how much we have control over it?

Yeah, how much you think it should be like. So for example, let's say something you just want AI to create for you because you really don't want to figure it out. Then you're going to give AI full control for that element. God. Okay, so I've moved everything. Now you can just drag it on the slider of how much you guys want. call me if you need more help because i'm gonna put the audio on

okay so for origins of music i think we can say that like knowing what is not wanted we should have like um i guess that one can be neutral for expected because you want to be able to like you want to be able to know what isn't wanted but you also want the ai to be able to like recognize what you don't want yeah all of the expected ones and then someone else can do all

the current ones okay wait is current just like what's what it's doing like right now yeah okay

i think like currently it's definitely more on the like ai side like it's just choosing what it wants to do

um and in terms of emotion i feel like we would expect it what is that like how would we put it on a slider because like we have more emotion than the ai and that's kind of expected but like we want the ai to be able to like replicate the emotion that we want So where do I really put emotion?

Probably like closer to me, maybe.

Yeah. Okay. Oh, sorry. You guys are doing great, but you can just move the groove itself instead of moving all the elements. So we don't need the blue ones. We only move the pink ones. on the side yeah oh just on the side or god yes and then after that you can write down the rational you guys are already discussing it which is great so as you discuss you can write it down

here as well okay okay so it's current emotional understanding maybe is like less and it's closer to us but we would probably expect the emotional understanding to be a little bit more like a little better.

Yeah. So for the why boxes, just clarifying because other group was confused, you can put about why you think it should be the way you guys want it as expected. So expected, in other words, it's like wanted. So you can also move original music to wherever you guys think it should be at because it's floating on the top.

I wrote the Y for the origins. For clarity, I think we definitely expect it to be mainly on the AI.

Is it more about control or is it about its ability to be able to do well? For which section? Is it about when you look at the spectrum, is it more like, oh, I have full control over this versus AI has full control over this? um the ai is like a lot like capable of doing this when i give it the prop

yeah i think it's like what you were saying like it's not like black and white it's just kind of a mix i think it's more like what what you want

like the ai like what you want the world division to be

the real case yeah that's accurate if you think it's like half and half you can just put it in the

middle okay thank you i feel like the foundation would be like more leaning towards like the ai

i agree and i think it also currently leads towards the ai as well because you just kind of give it a beat and you can just like

yeah

but I guess it would lean more heavily towards the AI

um yeah I think we still have original music floating around for the expected. Hey, you guys are doing great. This is looking great so far. Coming back. I guess it's time we do this session. I'm surprised how creative and like beyond my imagination you guys always go, which is great. Okay. So step three, this is last activity before taking a break. So we're almost there and this is a pretty quick one. So we're going to do AI must with green sticky notes and AI must not. We never should do this with red notes. And you can also add AI can sometimes with like yellow or orange notes, but you have to add a condition like AI can sometimes, I don't know, change its voice. But then you have to specify like how or when, when user wants it or like when it thinks it's going to make a better music, something like that. So I am going to rebuild those hidden frames once more. Yeah, it's right next to the frames that you guys have been working on. So discuss within your teams, or you can just start out by putting a bunch of sticky notes or what you guys want. didn't like and liked in your previous tool exploration. But all those three, UDEO, no, five in total. Suno, music effects. Now you guys are like experts with existing music tools. You guys probably have used more tools than people who actually create music with AI. So yeah, within your groups, you can do this and definitely add more sticky notes than whatever we have here. But try to fill in every sticky notes that we have here. Could be something trivial as well. Like AI must have a pretty design, have more colors than just one, or like include both female and male voices, anything like that. So yeah, let's do this. Last activity before break. Hi, does everyone has access to the mirror link? It's the same one. It's just a new board. So yeah, I'll live it up to you guys.

Okay guys, how do you feel?

I was just about to write AI should be able to follow the prompt while still being able to create music, but making sure the music fits the prompt.

Yeah. I think I'm going to add an AI sometimes. I can sometimes like reference songs but should never steal directly. Like never steal an artist's work directly.

Hey guys, you can call me Rebecca. Sorry I joined midway through the meeting, but what group are we and what are we doing?

Thank you for asking. Oh, yeah, we're in group three. Okay. We're on the wishlet frame. Okay.

What are we trying to figure out right now?

So let me share the screen once more. We're basically thinking about all the tools that we've tried before or existing music creation tools. and come up with whatever the tool must do and should never do. And just like Akshara pointed out, which was a really great one, maybe you can do sometimes this, but without condition or without reason. So yeah, we were just trying to come up with as many sticky notes as possible. Mm-hmm. And the link is in the chat. Okay.

Okay. Is there anything that you guys think you really shouldn't do? To, like, share data?

Oh, yeah.

Okay. We can put that down.

I think that, like... I don't know if this really counts, but like just like not sound like very generic. Yeah.

Okay. No, I was thinking something similar. Yeah. So. Neuric.

Boring. That's a great one. You can also think about just music creation itself. Like, oh, it should create this and that kind of music or it should create this and that way.

I guess for like the tool must not we could say like pretend to be like I'm like human because like I know people like make music and they post it trying to get money or like other things.

That's really interesting because like what we want like I don't know about you but if I were listening to an AI voice Like, I don't know that I would be super interested in listening to the music. Like, if it were... I feel like if the vocals sounded more human, I'd be more... I'd enjoy the music more. Because I feel like listening to robots' voices just isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

Yeah, I agree. But also, like... I don't know, some of the AI stuff is getting pretty crazy lately. And you can't even tell sometimes.

That's true, I think. Yeah. There could probably be a voice tag then. So you can put that in the must. There has to be a voice tag or some kind of an indication that the song is AI, no matter where it's posted online. It has to be identifiable that it's AI. No matter how good it sounds, you have to be able to say, this is AI.

that's a really good point because um i recently saw news where on the billboard chart there are a lot of songs that were actually made by ai so i do see the point where it's just still sound really natural and like human-like listenable i guess that's another must that you guys just talked about um but having an indicator would be really great like a name tag um not ai tag yeah

wasn't cat's eyes gnarly also like ai like someone told like i heard online that like they were they were telling they were telling um people online that like the lyrics and everything were written by ai there's a lot of recent songs that were also written by ai

yeah a lot of existing songs were like that

Wait, I was wondering this tool, is it just creating music or is it just helping musicians? I'm a bit confused.

Oh, you can think about yourself using this tool. Oh, okay. Yeah, because this is basically for teens. So you guys are like, you are the user. So when you use it, you want the tool to be like this and that. So that's the core element.

Okay, so what does this tool do?

Like create music? Yeah, create music so that you can express your emotion. Okay, thank you. So yeah, you guys can think about how you want it to be. You don't have to think about the musicians. I mean, if you want to be musicians, then you can think of it that way. But yeah. I guess while we have pretend to be human as a must not, you guys still want it to sound natural or you guys really want it to sound robotic?

I feel like it should help you to like make music but not like generate music on its own.

I see. That's an interesting point. yeah I guess that could be another must if you would like or when you use this tool to create something do you want it to help you in certain ways or guide you certain ways or yeah what how do you want to design it you think it should never do this and

that or yeah i feel like it might can give like recommendations okay that's a great point too So say like you tell it like I'm feeling sad and then it can be like oh like are you thinking of minor like writing in a minor skill. Like provide suggestions? Yeah yeah. Interesting.

Yeah I think that should definitely be another must if you would like. Or if you wanted to give suggestions sometimes then that's yellow but if you wanted to provide suggestions most of the times then that's green. Mm-hmm. You can also think about the tool. I don't know. I'm just going to throw weird ideas like shoot. Must not always be lo-fi. Must not always be instrumental. Must not create song without my prompt. Anything like that. And if you would like, feel free to add more green notes since we have filled all of them, which is great. And yeah, anything that you guys want in the tool when you design it. just just curious what is explainable versus is it like um it makes sense like it shouldn't be totally off topic is that what you meant explainable versus explainable like understandable versus like context wise

like it shouldn't generate it in another language um i didn't write it but i'm assuming it means like versus it like makes sense or like have meaning not just like random words at least that's what

i'm guessing i see i see okay that makes sense yeah so they almost have like random words in the lyrics let's see Yes. All right. Okay, we're back. And as I know as before, we're taking 10 minutes break now. And then we'll see you in 10 minutes then. Get some water. Hello! I'll share the screen for the check-in. Okay everyone, let's come back.

Then we'll do our quick mind-body-heart check-in. And we turn on camera so I know that you guys are actually here. Thank you. So yeah, in chat, just put your numbers down. You know the drill. Yay, I'm seeing lots of fives and fours.

That's good.

Is anyone on break right now? I know there's like midwinter break for a lot of schools. That's so nice. I wish I was on break.

Okay, we can move on. Okay. So now we're going to react within our groups only for now. And you can definitely add more sticky notes after reacting to each other. So how to react? Feel free to use stickers or even sticky notes. Or you can just simply click. here to choose one of the reactions or the stickers right here, or even they also have gifts. So yeah, let's do it right now together. So just go find your group space. If you're not sure which group you're in, you can ask either me or Allie. So go to your group space. Navigate through. Yeah, we're not gonna go into breakout rooms for now. We can just do it all together. Go to your group space and then read through each other's notes. React to each other like this, or stickers, even sticky notes. Yeah. Since it's a quick read, I'll just wait for two minutes. I see the cool stickers, nice. You can also react to your own notes if you really like that. Yeah. So this activity basically is to highlight which are the sticky notes that everyone agrees on and see which one would be really important. So stick to your group space and react within your group 'cause we're gonna go on to next activity based on this. So yeah, react within your group with stickers, reaction, GIFs if you would like. If it's sticky notes to write down, comment if you would like. I'll give you guys one more minute. Nice. See some stickers flowing around. Oh, if you haven't figured out how to use stickers, it's here. Or you can draw something if you would like. And yeah, you can also just react with sticky notes saying like, "Yay, I like this." ask questions Get 20 more seconds. Nice. Okay. Yeah. If someone else has already reacted with like the mini emojis, you can just click on it and it will add up the number, which is a cool feature on mirror. So, okay. Keep living more reactions to the ones that you really agree or really like you find it interesting. And then now we're going to move on to making final set of the rule book or more like a wish list and guidelines for designing music creation tool to express emotion. So again, this tool is for yourself. The key users are teenagers and you can just think about yourself. Okay, if I'm going to use this tool, how should it be designed to express my emotion? So here I kind of recreated this like paper texture, kind of like a rule book or like a, I don't know, like a document. So to truly express our emotions, the AI music creation tool must follow these rules. So you can combine those notes here. If anything is on the same, I don't know, on the same page, on the same context, you can also edit it, rephrase it, or even add new ideas. You can also add some optional rules. I put six, so you can aim for at least six and then go beyond, just like seven, eight, nine. If the space is too small, feel free to use empty spaces out here as well. but yeah discuss among you guys take a look at which ones you guys voted to be important or um something else that you thought of so yeah we're gonna have 10 minutes to come up with the final rules think about yourself it's not about the actual musicians out there it's about yourselves mm-hmm okay see you

- Okay. And I think for like maybe like the first rule we could write how like.

I think that. Sorry, I think that we can like also group together like the genre related stuff like Only like knowing the genre that was provided and then making it so that like the creation isn't like repetitive.

yeah I agree but also um I agree too I think they also put together like the privacy and like legal stuff can you just refer to it like

If you're struggling with the text box picture, I think some teams were struggling with that. You can just use sticky notes if that's easier or text boxes are great too. Up to you guys. Okay, you guys are doing great. I think we have like two or three minutes left. You can also just go back to whatever you got some highlights on the previous wishlist, must and must not, and turn that into rules if you would like. Okay, we need at least three more or you can do more than six as well. Let me just move it a little bit to be on the spot. Oh, we have two twos. Okay. But yeah, what else do you guys think be another firm rules for the tools that will be created? We're going to make tools based on this. So yeah, we're actually going to make it. like working with them. What else?

- Maybe like just a rule about, 'cause I know we wrote in here about like not sharing data because like if it's like in a safe environment, like you can better express your emotions. And if it's sharing data, that's not really like a safe, I don't know.

- That's a good one. Well, how about other people, what are other thoughts about, yeah.

I feel like for this, it could have their specific account. So we can keep history of what they generated. Maybe we can give monthly feedbacks and better cater to what this person's style is. But also, I think maybe have it anonymous so people feel safer.

That's fascinating. Yeah. You can also just have two notes for one rules as well, if not anything similar. How about other ones that also got some reactions or you thought it was interesting when you were reacting to each other? Oh, okay, we're running out of time. Okay guys. one more one more one more Hi. Let's try to have at least six rules. So yeah, more than six is great.

I told my group five is okay. Sorry.

It's okay. It's totally fine. Group two, I'll give you guys a little time. Maybe anyone could just like bring whatever got some votes or as you guys were discussing something that... kept lingering in the conversation. You could take action about that. Since teams are still coming back, we have a little bit of time. I love how the styles of all three teams are so different. So creative. Okay, I guess everyone's back now. So now we're going to have reaction time. Instead of just sharing, I thought to save time, we're just going to share, walk around. So now you can actually take a look at other team's rulebook. So we're only going to take a look at here, the final set, those frames. And then you're going to leave, if you'd like something, put yellow sticky notes specifying what you liked. Oh, I like that you guys mentioned this and that, or like, oh yeah, I agree. If you guys have questions, hey, you said you're going to control the voice. Then how about the, like, are you going to control the age of the voice or something that you wish? I like this rule, but I think you could expand it like this and that. So yeah, please help each other out with those three types of sticky notes, because we're going to make actual working tool next time. Yeah, so on the same mirror board, go visit other team. Group one, two, three, go to other teams. And oh, sorry, since this... Group 3 was working on yellow. Group 3 do mind changing your sticky notes to another color. And also group 2 if you mind changing colors to not yellow, green, and blue. Sorry I should have mentioned this. So yeah, group 2 and 3 if you guys could just change the colors before we move around. that regret great something like pink maybe pink or um purple or like turquoise is great yeah turquoise is great yay so yeah i'm gonna change this into i'll get purple for you guys and also group three if you guys could come up in another role i think you got someone was working on it last time number six Meanwhile, everyone else can go around, react to each other with those three indicators. I'll also put this on Miro as a reference. Okay. So I'll give you guys like five minutes to react. try to leave at least three notes in total so at least one for each group it's great if you leave more than one for a group because it's really going to help them to think outside of their boxes and expand on the idea for the actual iteration so yeah like question wish can also put stickers if you would like like last time but make sure you put at least three sticky notes and um yeah group three again um i think someone was working on number six before we left the breakout room so if you could just yeah put that in that'd be great lock this in yeah nice you guys are leaving a lot of like notes a lot of things that you liked oh even using the arrows I'm gonna put purple here for the number 6 that was missing. I really don't remember what was it but I saw something. So yeah, group 3 if you can fill it in. I'll move around in a while. Nice, we have a few question notes as well. which can be something that expands from that feature as well or rules or something completely opposite or more advanced version anything's good feel free to use stickers as well if you're like really enthusiastic about any of the rules Miro has a lot of good stickers I'm surprised Okay, we'll have two more minutes. Nice. You guys are being very supportive to each other. I guess by looking at each other's rules, it also helps you guys. Something like,"Oh, I should include this when I actually make the tool." You can put multiple likes as well if you like more than one rose. One more minute. Let's be supportive to each other. I think... Group one, we have a lot of like long comments. I guess like people were really being thoughtful. You can just put short comments too 'cause we only have three here so far. So group two and three, if you could give group one more ideas and share your thoughts. I'm gonna wait for a few more seconds till you guys wrap it up and leave a few more comments, reactions. Okay. So yeah, that's it for today's session. And next time I'll feel free to leave your comments if you are still working on it. I really don't want to cut it up. Next time we're actually building the tool and it's gonna be our last session. but almost the most fun one I think because you guys are actually gonna see the tool working. You guys don't have to program it, don't worry. I'll get it prepared for you guys. You guys just have to edit it with the facilitators. And I think it might be a really useful experience for your future works outside of the session as well. So I'll also in the journal, we have additional question out of the rules that you made you saw today could be yours or other groups, which one rule is the most important to you personally. It could be something from your group or something that is not here or from another group as well. So yeah, I would love to hear your thoughts about this. And I'll hand it to Allie.

- Thanks, Danny. Yeah, I know today was very brainstorming heavy, but good news, next session, you guys will actually get to finally make the tool that you've been talking about for the last like two months. So yes, please fill out your research journals. Again, try to fill out at least one question before you leave. but yeah that should be all that's all i have on my end um the next time we meet it'll be march and yeah i hope you guys enjoyed today's session and and come prepared for our last session with danny because it's gonna be really fun yay thank you and i know we're We are ending a little bit early, but once you fill out, like you can honestly do the whole like journal with the rest of the time that we have, 12 minutes. And maybe Danny, you can put on some music. Thank you. Thank you, bye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Bye, have a good day.

Bye, too. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Bye. Thank you, Allie. Of course. Yay. I know there was less of them today, but I have a feeling they're like, they're on break so they probably didn't want to.

I feel like they, I guess they're pretty used to each other now since it's almost the same group. They started talking more, which is great.

That's good. That's good. Yeah. No, my group was great. yeah all right but for next i guess we'll meet next monday yeah for the last session

yeah as far as the effect again when i do the thumbs up it's always just like yeah i'll see you on monday and it will be i think it will be short like less than 30 minutes

okay yeah that's good i'm excited for the last one i know they are i hope so yeah okay um thanks and i'll uh send you the folder for the recordings that'd be great thank you always have a great rest of your day you too bye bye